The Minimum Amount Necessary

The following article was originally published on Cyberpump.com in 1998.

Recently I’ve been receiving a lot of e-mail and phone calls from people with questions regarding their workouts. Often, people are surprised at the brevity of the routines I recommend, and ask, “why so few exercises?” To which I respond, why do any more? Why perform any more exercise than the minimal amount necessary to stimulate growth in all the major muscle groups?

It is unnecessary, and even counterproductive to do any more exercise than is minimally required to stimulate growth in all of the major muscular structures. More exercise than this will not stimulate more growth, but it will use up more energy and metabolic resources, which leaves your body with less to recover from and produce the muscular growth stimulated by the workout. While I do not believe that it is possible to exercise too intensely, or that the majority of people train anywhere near as intensely as they are truly capable of, I know for a fact that it is very easy to perform too much exercise and believe that the majority of people would benefit from a reduction in the volume of their training.

It is unnecessary to perform dozens of exercises during a workout, addressing every possible function of every single muscle group. Instead, one should perform a few basic movements that address all of the major muscular structures, and try to avoid overlapping exercises. With a few exceptions, such as rehabilitation and subjects with certain physical conditions or limitations, a workout consisting of a few basic compound exercises and exercises for the neck and calves will provide all of the exercise a person requires. Not only will briefer workouts waste less of one’s recovery energy, they also encourage more intense training, since a person is less inclined to hold anything back during an exercise like they tend to do when they know they’ve got another 6 or 7 exercises to go.

As examples, I present the following very brief, basic routines, with a list of the primary muscles addressed by each exercise.

Basic, Full-Body Routine:

  1. Neck Extension: all of the muscles which extend the neck, too numerous to list
  2. Neck Flexion: all of the muscles that flex the neck, specifically the sternocleidomastoid
  3. Calf Raise: gastrocnemius, soleus
  4. Stiff Legged Deadlift: hamstrings, glutes, lumbar extensors, lats, rhomboids, trapezius, posterior and medial deltoids, wrist flexors
  5. Squats or Leg Press: glutes, hamstrings, quadriceps
  6. Front Grip Pull Down or Chin-Ups: lats, teres major, posterior deltoids, rhomboids, inferiorly oriented fibers of trapezius, biceps, wrist flexors and abs
  7. Chest Press or Dips: chest, serratus anterior, anterior deltoids, triceps, coracobrachialis

If for any reason any of the above exercises are not an option, I recommend the following substitutions:

For Stiff Legged Deadlift – Lower Back Machine and Shrugs: hamstrings, glutes, lumbar extensors (Lower Back), trapezius and wrist flexors (Shrugs)

For Front Grip Pull Down – Compound Row Machine or Bent-over Barbell Rows: lats, teres major, posterior deltoids, rhomboids, trapezius, biceps, and wrist flexors

This routine covers all of the major muscular structures in the body, and should take less than 20 minutes to complete if no rest is allowed between exercises. For someone who is either more advanced and training at a higher level of intensity or has a lower tolerance to intense physical stress and requires an even lower volume of exercise, it may be necessary to divide the exercises up over two routines, such as the following split:

Workout 1:

  1. Neck Extension
  2. Neck Flexion
  3. Stiff Legged Deadlift
  4. Chest Press or Dips

Workout 2:

  1. Squats or Leg Press
  2. Front-Grip Pull Down
  3. Calf Raise

There are some people who perform even less exercise than this per workout. I know of one person who performs only ONE exercise per workout, and trains only once every 10 to 14 days. His total workout time for a year is less than the amount of time some people spend in the gym in one week. He’s making phenomenal progress though.

Keep in mind that which and how many exercises any particular person uses in their routine will depend on their individual physical condition and the equipment available to them. All I can recommend is that you keep your workouts brief, and stick to the basics. If you are training intensely enough, not only will you not need to perform dozens of exercises, you will actually experience better results if you don’t. As Arthur Jones once said, “…instead of trying to find how much exercise we can tolerate, we should try to find out how little exercise we actually require.”

Current Thoughts – January 2009

I would recommend beginners starting out with more exercises, then gradually cutting back as the weights used and training intensity increased to avoid overtraining.  While everybody is going to have different requirements based on individual physical condition, goals, and response to exercise, the following would be an example of a possible progression from beginner, to intermediate, to advanced trainee, and is similar to how I would start and progress a typical client:

Sample Beginner Full-Body Workout (Free Weight):

  1. Barbell Squat
  2. Chin-Up
  3. Dip or Barbell Bench Press
  4. Barbell Row
  5. Barbell Press
  6. Stiff-Legged Deadlift
  7. Weighted Crunch
  8. One-Legged Calf Raise with Dumbbell

Sample Beginner Full-Body Workout (Machine):

  1. Leg Press
  2. Pulldown
  3. Chest Press
  4. Compound Row
  5. Shoulder Press
  6. Back Extension
  7. Trunk Flexion
  8. Calf Raise

When progress starts to slow down, these could be divided into two, alternating routines, either full-body or split. The number of compound (multi-joint) exercises in each routine would be reduced to three: one for the hips and thighs, one upper body pushing, one upper body pulling, and isolation exercises might be added in depending on the specific goals or needs of the trainee.

Sample Intermediate Full-Body A,B Routine (Free Weight):

Full-Body Workout A:

  1. Barbell Squat
  2. Chin-Up
  3. Barbell Press
  4. Dumbbell Pullover
  5. Dumbbell Chest Fly
  6. Weighted Crunch

Full-Body Workout B:

  1. Deadlift or Stiff-Legged Deadlift with either a Barbell or a Shrug Bar
  2. Dip or Bench Press
  3. Barbell or Dumbbell Row (I recommend a supported dumbbell row if back fatigue from the deadlift limits the weight that can be handled with strict form in a barbell row)
  4. Barbell or Dumbbell Tricep Extension
  5. Barbell Curl
  6. One-Legged Calf Raise with Dumbbell

Sample Intermediate Full-Body A,B Routine (Machine):

Full-Body Workout A:

  1. Leg Press
  2. Pulldown
  3. Shoulder Press
  4. Pullover
  5. Chest Fly
  6. Trunk Flexion
  7. Calf Raise

Full-Body Workout B:

  1. Leg Curl
  2. Leg Extension
  3. Chest Press
  4. Compound Row
  5. Tricep Extension
  6. Arm Curl
  7. Back Extension

Sample Intermediate Split Routine (Free Weight):

Upper Body:

  1. Chin-Up or Barbell Row (alternate)
  2. Dip or Bench Press or Barbell Press (alternate)
  3. Dumbbell Pullover
  4. Dumbbell Chest Fly
  5. Barbell or Dumbbell Tricep Extension
  6. Barbell Curl

Lower Body and Trunk:

  1. Barbell Squat
  2. Stiff-Legged Deadlift with either a Barbell or a Shrug Bar
  3. Weighted Crunch
  4. One-Legged Calf Raise with Dumbbell

Sample Intermediate Split Routine (Machine):

Upper Body:

  1. Pulldown or Compound Row (alternate)
  2. Chest Press or Shoulder Press (alternate)
  3. Pullover
  4. Chest Fly
  5. Tricep Extension
  6. Arm Curl

Lower Body and Trunk:

  1. Leg Curl
  2. Leg Extension
  3. Leg Press
  4. Back Extension
  5. Trunk Flexion
  6. Calf Raise

Keep in mind the above are just examples. The specific number and selection of exercises will vary from person to person. For more advanced trainees working at a much higher level of intensity, these routines can either be further reduced or divided. This can be done be done several ways, depending on how the trainee is progressing on the different exercises:

  • dropping the isolation exercises
  • reducing the number of compound exercises or dividing them between more routines
  • splitting the routines into upper and lower body, or upper body pushing, upper body pulling, and lower body, etc.

In most cases, direct adbominal work should be one of the first things dropped. While the current trend is to make a big deal out of “core” training, if you are squatting, deadlifting, pressing, chinning, etc. with heavy weights, your abs are already getting plenty of work. Whether you drop or substitute isolation exercises for compound exercises or divide them between more routines depends on your specific goals and progress on those exercises. Don’t be afraid to cut back if your progress is starting to slow down, though. The biggest mistakes people make with their training are doing too much, too often. While there are other factors involved, often when progress starts to slow down it is an indication that either workout volume or frequency needs to be cut back to allow the body to fully recover from and adapt to the training stimulus.

Eventually, some trainees may progress to what Mike Mentzer referred to as a “consolidation routine”, like those in the original article above, consisting of only two or three exercises. While this may sound incredibly short, especially to those used to reading about the ridiculous high-volume programs recommended by many mainstream bodybuilding magazines and web sites, many people have had very good results on such programs.

As another example, I am currently rotating between the following two workouts, performed roughly once every 5 days:

Workout A:

  1. Barbell Squat
  2. Weighted Chin-Ups
  3. Barbell Press
  4. Barbell Wrist Curl
  5. Barbell Wrist Extension

Workout B:

  1. Shrug Bar Deadlift
  2. Weighted Parallel Bar Dips
  3. One-Armed Dumbbell Rows
  4. One-Legged Calf Raise w/ Dumbbell

I occasionally add direct arm work to these, including barbell curls or dumbbell hammer curls, and either barbell or dumbbell tricep extensions. Once I finish refurbishing my 2nd gen Nautilus 4-Way Neck machine I will be adding neck extension and flexion back to the start of workout B.

My upcoming book on high intensity training includes an entire chapter on routines, covering exercise selection, number, order, and other factors in more detail.

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  • Filipe Jan 18, 2009 @ 8:35

    Hey Baye! Like your ideas on training and nutrition, I’m a fan of Paleo Diet and HIT. I’m also interested in self defense like you!
    I’m planning to do the following routine:

    1-Full Squat
    2-Bench Press
    3-DB Row
    4-DB Overhead Press
    5-EZ-bar Bicep Curl
    6-Romanian Deadlift
    7-Neck Extension with Harness
    8-Hammer Leverage Curl

    What do you think about it? Before I had 11 exercises, I’m an intermediate lifter, I hate to spend more than 40 minutes lifting, and I like to keep it, preferably, under 30 min! More than that and I feel demotivated to start the workout anyway! I’m having trouble getting motivated to train lately, do you recommend some kind of warm-up that can get one psyched-up to do a Full Squat to almost failure as first exercise!!
    I plan to do this routine twice a week, I also train at home, have a squat rack, bench, barbell, dumbell, gripper, ez-bar, neck harness!
    Trainig at home have a lot of advantages but I think it’s hard to transition from a relaxed state to a ready-to go state, I also have the equipment in my bedroom… where i study, sleep, surf the net, train,.. maybe some separation would help! Do you have any advice for my problem getting psyched up to train?

    • Bill Pruitt Jul 31, 2014 @ 18:41

      hi, I’m curious, what exactly are hammer leverage curls? Is that with a hammer strength machine or a type of hammer curls with dumbbells? Thank you.

      • Drew Baye Aug 3, 2014 @ 13:26

        Bill,

        He’s talking about wrist adduction and abduction, or ulnar and radial deviation, using an unevenly loaded dumbbell or a hammer. I wrote about these in Strength Training For Shooting.

  • Adam Jan 18, 2009 @ 10:06

    Great article Drew.

    The way I see it, a person has a finite amount of intensity that they can put forth.

    Every increase in volume dilutes that intensity a little bit more.

  • DARIN Jan 19, 2009 @ 1:40

    What do you suggest for someone who has been training for around 12 years and is trying to get lean and just started HIT three times a week?

  • Drew Baye Jan 19, 2009 @ 9:46

    Filipe,

    If you are already doing EZ-bar curls, I suggest dropping the Hammer Leverage Curl.

    Before my workouts, I usually take a few minutes to sit down somewhere quiet, clear my mind, and visualize performing the workout. I’ve found this helps to get in the right state of mind. Some people find music helps. Mike Mentzer used to listen to Richard Wagner, and I occasionally listen to hard rock or metal during my workouts.

    • JLMA Jun 27, 2014 @ 7:47

      Would you mind sharing one or two of the rock or metal albums you tend to listen to during your workouts?
      Also, do you know which of Wagner’s pieces MM used to listen to the most?

      I have recently been trying to pick music for my workouts and Rocky’s Eye of The Tiger and the like, and trance music don’t seem to do it for me.

      Thanks.

      • Drew Baye Jun 27, 2014 @ 11:06

        JLMA,

        I rarely listen to music during workouts, but when I do it is usually older stuff from bands like Overkill, Slayer, Sepultura, or Exodus.

        I don’t know exactly what Mike listened to, but Wagner’s most popular opera is Die Walküre or “The Valkyrie”, and the most popular part of this is The Ride Of The Valkyries, which you’ve probably heard.

  • Simon Jan 19, 2009 @ 10:07

    Hi Drew,

    Very interesting article, great to see your current thoughts. One thing you didn’t touch on was your current thoughts on frequency for the above routines. Now I know that everyone will vary to some degree due to genetics, lifestyle and preference but could you suggest a typical beneficial frequency for the new routines you have presented above.

  • Drew Baye Jan 19, 2009 @ 10:33

    Darin,

    If you just started with HIT, I recommend starting with one of the beginner routines. As your training intensity increases your progress is going to slow down, at which time you should add more recovery days between workouts, and go to one of the intermediate routines.

    Keep in mind, these routines and workouts are just examples. Everybody is going to respond differently, and specific exercise selection will depend on the equipment available and your goals. Also, frequency will vary from person to person. If you’re not getting at least a little stronger every workout, you need to either reduce the volume or frequency of your workouts.

  • Filipe Jan 19, 2009 @ 10:39

    Thanks a lot for your answer! I also like to listen to metal or hard rock during my workouts!
    Maybe only training when I’m raring to train!Yesterday was one of those days, I was spontaneously psyched up to train! Could this be a good indication to when to train instead of pre-estabilished days? It can give some kind of natural randomness like Evolutionary Fitness suggests!
    The hammer leverage curl I referred is a kind of wrist curl. I use a dumbell, put the disc on one side and grab the other, I pick it like I’m picking a hammer, and then I do curls with it.
    I wanted to select the most complete exercise for the forearm/grip. I dont know what iis the correct name for this exercise, I think you’ve thought I was referring to hammer bicep curl and so it would be redundant in this one-set/bodypart routine

  • Drew Baye Jan 19, 2009 @ 10:40

    Simon,

    I recommend most new trainees start with three times per week. Most people won’t train intensely enough starting out to overtrain at this frequency and the more frequent practice will help new trainees get their form down. For people who have been training a while or train at a higher level of intensity I recommend twice weekly starting out. If progress starts to slow down, additional recovery days should be added between workouts.

  • John M Jan 19, 2009 @ 14:11

    I remember this article from Cyberpump long ago, and was happy to see the updated version. I noticed that you (and others) have recommended a shrug bar/trap bar deadlift. Can you think of a reason why it would be unwise to substitute two dumbbells, where otherwise only a straight Olympic bar is available? Many, many gyms do not have trap bars. Thanks!

  • Hameed Bhatti Jan 19, 2009 @ 17:29

    Interesting read Drew!

    I have a couple of questions for you.

    1. Looking at your workout, do you not have difficulty going to your maximum intensity if you have to do say Squats and Bench Presses the same day? I find that both exercies or any of the compound exercises just too hard to do the same day. Exercises such as Squat and Bench Press, or Squat and Chin-ups, Squat and deadlifts etc.

    How do you account for that? How many sets of each exercise are you doing on each workout?

    I am 46 and started weight training a year ago and my results have been mediocre to poor in terms of weight gain (muscle) and strength. I now realize that I have been overtraining and switched to the following workout about a month ago:

    Day 1 : Back
    – Wide grip Chin-ups,
    – Barbell row,
    – Narrow grip (palms facing me) chin-ups
    – Dumbell Pullovers
    – Dead lifts
    – Chest Press

    Day 2: rest or cardio

    Day 3: Legs
    – Squats
    – Calf (using leg press machine)
    – Abs – sit-ups and Leg raises

    Day 4: rest or cardio

    Day 5: Chest
    – Bench Press
    – Barbell Pullover
    – Chest Dips/Bench dips – alternate
    – Close grip bench press
    – Dumbell flyes
    – Chin-ups

    Day 6: Rest or cardio

    Day 7: Legs
    – Squats
    – Calf (using leg press machine)
    – Abs – sit-ups and Leg raises

    Day 8: Rest or cardio

    Day 9: Shoulders
    – Barbell Press
    – High grip cable row
    – Smith machine row
    – Bentover Barbell raise focussing on the deltoids as opposed to the lats

    Day 10: Rest or cardio

    Day 11: Legs
    – Squats
    – Calf (using leg press machine)
    – Abs – sit-ups and Leg raises

    Day 12: Rest or Cardio

    Day 13 – Cycle repeats.

    Do you think I am still training too hard?

  • Drew Baye Jan 19, 2009 @ 17:51

    Filipe,

    I recommend barbell wrist curls and reverse wrist curls for forearms. These two hit just about every muscle between your elbow and wrist.

    While it’s a good idea to listen to your body, don’t let mood alone dictate your training frequency. Keep accurate workout charts, and use your workout to workout progress as a guide.

  • Drew Baye Jan 19, 2009 @ 18:00

    John,

    There are a few problems with dumbbell deadlifts. First off, most gyms do not have heavy enough dumbbells. Most men can deadlift at least 185 starting out and many should be able to work up to 300 or 400 or more for reps over time. The heaviest dumbbells most gyms will have are 120, and some only have up to 80. Also, while a trap or shrug bar allows plenty of clearance inside for movement, large dumbbells will end up being dragged up the sides of the thighs, which tends to cause them to want to roll against the grip. A barbell or trap or shrug bar is a much better option with heavier weights.

  • Marc Jan 19, 2009 @ 19:10

    Thanks for this article. Also, thanks for the clarification on dumbbell deadlifts vs. trap bar deadlifts. I was unsure if the awkward nature of dumbbell deadlifts was limiting the stimulation to my lower body.

    I have house on a concrete slab and workout in a spare bedroom with carpet and a rubber mat underneath my power rack. Do you think it’s safe for my floor to perform deadlifts?

    Thanks,

    Marc

  • Drew Baye Jan 19, 2009 @ 19:28

    Hameed,

    I only perform one set per exercise, so it is not difficult to maintain a high level of intensity for a couple compound movements.
    Although the best volume and frequency varies between individuals, judging by your routine and assuming based on your question that you are performing multiple sets, you are definitely overtraining.
    I recommend cutting out the cardio completely. Proper strength training can provide better cardiovascular benefits, more efficiently and more safely. Also, perform no more than one set per exercise. With the exception of some people with certain genetic differences, most people will get better results with a single hard set, especially as they become more advanced.
    Try cutting back to only three workouts per week on non-consecutive days starting out, doing only one set per exercise. If you are not getting at least a little stronger every workout, add more recovery days between workouts.

  • Hameed Bhatti Jan 20, 2009 @ 11:30

    Thanks for the detailed feedback Drew!

    1. Since you recommend only one set per exercise, what exercise do you do for warm up – say for the squats as an example? What about the Bench Press?

    2. How do you go to your muscles limit if you don’t have a spotter for the Squat, Bench Press, Barbell Press exercises?

    3. The three times per week workout you recommend – is that a full body workout each day? Right now when I workout (and I typically do three sets as you correctly guessed) I find that I need more than 2 days to recover – meaning no more soreness in my muscles.

    3. Are you always sore whenever you train? I am a masochist and feel that if I am not sore I have trained hard enough. 🙂

  • Drew Baye Jan 20, 2009 @ 11:44

    Marc,
    Our house is also built on a concrete slab, and I have 3/4 inch rubber mats in our home gym. Haven’t had any problems yet.

  • Drew Baye Jan 20, 2009 @ 11:52

    Hameed,
    1. I do not perform warm up sets for any exercises. Please read the article on warming up for more about this.
    2. I squat and press inside a power rack, with the safety pins set just below the low end of my range of motion. This allows me to train safely without a spotter.
    3. I experience a good deal of muscular burning during exercise, but usually do not have much afterwards. Post-exercise soreness is subjective and not an indicator of a good workout. Your workout charts and measurements are a much better indicator of the quality of your training.

  • Hameed Bhatti Jan 20, 2009 @ 12:59

    Thanks again for the replies Drew!

    Last two questions before I head to the gym –

    1. Do you take any pre-workout energy drink?

    I tried “Nano Vapor” the last time I trained, and it gave me a buzz in my head. I have to admit that it did make me more energetic and I was able to increase the reps on my Barbell press.

    2. Assuming a split routine between upper and lower body – does this mean that you would only work each part of your body once per week (say two workouts per week)? Is that enough training per week as opposed to a full body workout twice per week (where each muscle group gets hit twice per week as opposed to once per week with a split routine)? I am still struggling with this last part……

  • Drew Baye Jan 20, 2009 @ 16:58

    Hameed,

    1. No, I don’t take any energy drinks before working out, unless you count the occasional diet Mt. Dew. I usually just drink water during workouts, and sometimes whole milk before and after.

    2. The ideal frequency per body part varies between individual, but this is not too little for someone training at a high level of intensity. I cover all of this in detail in the book.

  • Hameed Bhatti Jan 20, 2009 @ 19:31

    Thanks again for the clarifications!
    My workout this afternoon followed one of your routines and I was able to resist the temptation to do multiple sets per exercise. 🙂

    I did the squat (quick warm-up with half the usual weight), for one set and was able to just do 12 reps in strict form. Prior to today, I was only able to do 10 reps.
    I then did wide-grip chinups (no warm-up set) and was able to do 6 reps. This was 1.5 reps better than previous.
    Next was barbell press. I managed 7 reps in strict form and one more final rep with my spotter. This was 2 reps more than before.
    Finally I did dumbell pullovers and was able to do 12 reps in strict form with my usual weight. Normally I could only do 8 reps with the same weight.
    All in all a big improvement in strength as far as I am concerned!!
    I sure hope this is not a fluke or some anomaly. It definitely appears from this one workout that your advice to do only one set per exercise worked for me.

    I will definitely continue with this type of workout from now on.
    What book are you referring to?

    Which book are you referring to?

  • Jon Jan 20, 2009 @ 23:55

    The minimum amount necessary “boils” down to the dose response that has been presented over the years from Arthur Jones, to Ellington Darden to Dr. McGuff. The general public does just the opposite, the maximum amount not necessary, whether it ranges from 20 mile Saturday runs, to 4 hour sessions doing squats. One reason I quit running was the never ending “end” that I realized presented itself. When 5 miles became comfortable then it was 6, etc. Anymore I do not have the time available to sacrifice to a never ending task master known as exercise. I think there is a lot more in life people are missing by not doing the “least amount” of proper exercise necessary.

  • Filipe Jan 21, 2009 @ 9:25

    Thanks you for your advice! You’re one of the guys I respect the most if not the most in this area of knowledge!
    Looking forward to your book!

  • David Jan 22, 2009 @ 9:25

    Hi drew, i train hit and have made excellent strength and size gains from the following compound routine which i have been following for 4 months. I train my whole body every 3 days,2 sets to failure rep range 6-7 only sup i take is a post workout drink. bench press,seated bb shoulder press,rev grip bb rows,deadlift

  • Drew Baye Jan 22, 2009 @ 12:54

    Hameed,

    The book I am referring to is one I am writing about high intensity strength training that focuses on bodybuilding. It’s been in the works for a while, and I hope to have it finished within the next few months.

  • James Jan 24, 2009 @ 21:00

    Consolidated/abbreviated routines focusing on compound exercises has worked well for me. Quality over quantity while focusing on intensity rather than duration has been the biggest factor for me. Mentzer, Jones and you Drew have really opened my eyes and mind to a productive and logical way of building strength and muscle. Keep up the great work Drew.

    My current routine:

    Squats or Leg Press 1 x 12
    Chins 1 x 10
    Military Press 1 x 10
    Chest Press 1 x 10
    Crunches 1 x 15

    5 days rest

    Trapbar Deadlift 1 x 8
    Dips 1 x10
    Rows 1 x 10
    Donkey Raises 1 x 12

    All sets to failure with rest-pause, static holds, negatives and other tools added at times.

  • Giuseppe Jan 29, 2009 @ 12:47

    A very simple question from a HIT newbie..
    When people say, for example, 5 days rest, do they mean:

    – 24×5 hrs of rest, (i.e workout on Monday, next workout on Saturday)
    – 5 “non-workout” days (i.e. workout on Mon, next wo on Sunday)

    In other words, training everyday would mean 0 rest days or 1 (24h) rest day ?

    Just to clarify the terminology..

    Thanks,
    Giuseppe

    • Drew Baye Jan 29, 2009 @ 14:39

      Giuseppe,
      A rest or recovery day is a calendar day, not a 24 hour period. For example, someone who works out once weekly has six rest days between workouts.

  • Marc Pharmacist Jan 30, 2009 @ 15:54

    Drew,

    Nice article! Would love to hear more about the refurbished Nautilus 4-way neck machine. Perhaps a future article, por favor?

    Marc

    • Drew Baye Jan 30, 2009 @ 21:20

      The 4-Way Neck is on hold until the book is finished. I will post about it once it’s finished with photos.

  • Steven Turner Feb 9, 2009 @ 2:22

    Hi Drew,

    I know that you must be extremely busy with getting your book ready for publication and at the same time maintaining your website. I can’t wait for you’re book to be published. On the question of “The minimum Amount Necessary” to stimulate muscle growth John Little pointed out in his book Advanced Max Contraction Training “that it is not the qauntity or volume of work performed, but the intensity” that stimulate muscle growth. The concept of “intensity” as the major factor in training was known over 100 years ago – 100 years later Drew and people are surprised at the “brevity of your routines”. That surprises me!
    Steven

  • Steven Turner Jul 15, 2009 @ 19:23

    Hi Drew,

    I know that your very busy with the book and that this blog is long time afer the original post. It relates to swimming but I think it is a very good example of “the minimum amount necessary”. A few months ago I read an article in the paper about one of sprint 50m-100m swimmers Eamon Sullivan 23 years old previuosly held the world record in the 50m freestyle sprint. The article related to his intended training program for the world swimming championships in Rome his training program included 6 day a week, twice daily swim sessions between the twice daily swim session he was going to do weights, yoga, boxing, pilates, functional training, hill running sessions somewhere in the order of 10 hours a day training for a 50m sprint. I think that you could guess my thoughts when I first read this article. Fast forward last night on the TV there was an interview with another swimmer Adam Pine 100m butterfly swimmer, 32 married, two children, works full time Adam has competed at three Olympics the up comming world championships will be his 4th. Adam made the Australian swimming team doing only 4 swimming session per week. As of today Eammon is out of the world championships due to a unknown fatiguing virus. I think your quote from Arthur Jones, sums it “Instead of trying to find out how much exercise we can tolerate, we should try to find out how little exercise we need”. I also read once where Arthur Jones said that, “it appeared that if he said something that the rest of the sports science/exercise community would do the exact opposite”. I personnaly don’t think that much has changed since Arthur said this.

  • David Aug 25, 2009 @ 14:36

    I have a question about pre-exhaustion and super-sets (alternate muscle groups). Arthur Jones mentions these techniques at length in both Nautilus Bulletins. However, on many of the HIT sites, I do not see the owners using these techniques in their routines, especially split routines. I do see a push vs. pull mix approach, but I don’t see for example a suggestion to do bicep curls then dips (alternate muscles) or tricep curls then dips (pre-exhaust). What are your thoughts on these two techniques?

    • Drew Baye Sep 7, 2009 @ 22:51

      David,

      There is no need for pre-exhaustion. Once you’ve worked the target muscle hard in the isolation exercise, the compound exercise becomes unnecessary. John Little has addressed this in his e-book Bodybuilding – The Good, The Bad and The Bogus.

      I like alternating between opposing pushing and pulling exercises in workouts for a variety of reasons, but mainly because it allows you to maintain a high level of intensity without having to rest as long between exercises.

  • John Sep 17, 2009 @ 9:31

    Hey.

    I am 17 years old and have been doing the body by science workout for 5 weeks. I have definitely become stronger but I can’t seem to put on a lot of weight. At the moment I weigh about 132 pounds and have 6% body fat.

    I look a lot like that photo of Drew Baye in the abs article but I want to put on some more weight instead of staying skinny and ripped.

    Should I start doing more exercises in my workout, maybe workout more often?

    Thanks

    • Drew Baye Sep 17, 2009 @ 14:56

      John,

      If you are starting out, I would recommend training twice a week instead of the once weekly workouts recommended in Body by Science. While five weeks is too short of a time to expect any kind of dramatic transformation, if you are not gaining at least a little weight chances are you are not taking in enough calories or protein. As a rough starting point, try consuming about 22 to 24 calories and 1 to 1.25 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight per day, with the remainder of calories coming from roughly equal portions of fat and low glycemic index carbs.

  • John Sep 18, 2009 @ 12:18

    Hey Drew

    I actually made a mistake in my comment; I have been doing the Big Five workout for about four months :).

    My daily diet is basically 3 eggs in the morning, a can of sardines (or some chicken) and a salad in the afternoon and some red meat or fish with some veggies in the evening( the protein adds up to about 100 grams). I have been following the primal diet for about 3 months now.

    Maybe I am just some freak hard gainer, but I am surprisingly strong for my bodyweight.

    I can push myself to train pretty intensely on the big 5 workout, but it feels as though I am getting stronger but not putting on any weight. (I have doubled my leg pressing weight) since I started.

    So should I eat more carbs and to put on more weight, or modify my routine or the frequency?

    Thanks for the reply.

    • Drew Baye Oct 3, 2009 @ 15:31

      If you’re only getting around 100 grams of protein per day, I would increase that along with your calories. If you’re trying to put on weight, a little extra carb intake shouldn’t hurt, but take regular abdominal skinfold measurements and make sure the weight you’re adding isn’t fat. As long as your weight is going up but your abdominal skinfold thickness isn’t, you’re on the right track.

  • Dave May 4, 2010 @ 20:54

    Hi Drew,

    Great website, thanks for all the amazing articles. What do you mean by “trunk flexion”? What kind of exercises can be done for that? Thanks in advance.

    • Drew Baye May 6, 2010 @ 21:18

      Dave,

      Trunk flexion is flexion of the spine; examples would include weighted crunches and using a properly designed abdominal machine.

  • Tim May 5, 2010 @ 8:17

    Drew,just out of curiosity what is the bodyfat percentage that you try to keep your clients at when they’re trying to put on muscle?

    • Drew Baye May 6, 2010 @ 21:13

      Tim,

      I recommend not allowing bodyfat percentage to get above the low to mid teens. If it starts to creep up above around 14 or 15 percent it’s time to take a few weeks to lean down before bringing calories back up. Depending on the goals and priorities of the individual this might be higher or lower.

  • Janes Dec 2, 2010 @ 2:09

    Drew,

    Hey i have never heard of dumb bell pullovers before and i never see anyone doing them. What are they good for?

    • Drew Baye Dec 2, 2010 @ 9:19

      Dumbbell pullovers primarily work the lats and chest.

  • Greg Apr 13, 2011 @ 21:13

    Hey Drew

    Thanks for the Article on workout frequencies, I have a question regarding my own training.

    How many times can you perform a split routine how many days do you need between a push pull split. You said something of interest to me on the 21st convention when you spoke about certain genetics being able to handle more training with less rest. The main reason I ask is because prior to discovering HIT and natural carbs eating I achieved a very good body composition, maybe not quite fitness model but probably not too far off, using conventional training methods. The reason I started HIT when I found it was because I was bored and demotivated with the ridicules high volume of training I was doing. Push/pull split Monday Tuesday and Thursday Friday mostly two to three sets, normally the other days were sprint intervals maybe with one day off sometimes. Truly never taking steroids but eating a large amount of carbs mainly from grains. Before staring HIT I had stopped working out for almost two months then HIT easily put me back to where I was with muscle size but with a lot less effort. But I’ve been doing it now for about 3 months and people keep asking me if I’ve stopped working out telling me I look a little smaller, lost some bulk. I’m not sure on this as my measurements are the same as they ever was with a smaller fat percentage due to the diet maybe this is why they think I look smaller. Could it be possible for me to do a HIT split routine where A and B only have one or two days rest but A-A and B-B have four to five days rest between them, leading to me being able to fit in four workouts a week twice on pushing muscles and twice on pulling muscles.

    Thanks for your advice
    Greg

    • Drew Baye Apr 14, 2011 @ 8:33

      Greg,

      The absolute most anyone should train on any kind of routine – full body or split – would be three times weekly. Even if different muscle groups are being targeted there is a lot of overlap in muscular involvement between exercises and any workout intense enough to be effective is also going to have a negative impact on recovery from the previous workout if performed too soon. More volume or frequency is seldom the answer when there is any kind of plateau. Usually the opposite is required – more recovery time, or an increase in intensity rather than volume or frequency.

      People’s perceptions can be influenced by a lot of things, but if your measurements are the same you’re just as big. To be sure, you can take circumference measurements every other month at the neck, shoulders, chest, upper arms, forearms, waist, thighs and calves along with weight and body comp. Carb intake can affect muscle glycogen stores and how “full” the muscles appear, so you might want to experiment with increasing carbohydrate intake by adding a small amount of starches (sweet potatoes, yams, yucca, plaintains, etc.) and keeping track of the results. If your body fat starts increasing you can always cut them and lean back down.

  • Paul Aug 17, 2013 @ 18:29

    Drew what do you think of a split routine with one day training back biceps and legs, so i would do a pulldown a row bicep curls and a leg press then the other workout is chest and triceps so a shoulder press a chest press and some extra isolation workouts for chest and tricpeps mabye, would it better to train togethor muscles that compliment each other e.g. A chest press does triceps and chest, and also if doing a split routine how long would you wait after a first workout to do the next one could i just do two workouts in 2 days as long as im not training the same muscle groups. Thanks.

    • Drew Baye Aug 18, 2013 @ 14:31

      Paul,

      Even if you’re doing a split routine you should not work out on consecutive days. I write about split routines in High Intensity Workouts

      • Paul Aug 19, 2013 @ 6:32

        Ill have to read ur book it looks great, i was originally inspired when i read body by science and since then i have been doing dougs big 5 workout once a week and also sprint training for my sport field hockey, i was wondering since i am only 16 is this type of exercise the most effective for me and other juniors, i have read alot that HIT is recomended for seniors for safety and effectiveness . Also with the big 5 workout is it really a full body workout because i cant see how it works lower back and neck. Thanks.

        • Drew Baye Aug 19, 2013 @ 12:09

          Paul,

          The Body By Science “Big Five” workout covers the majority of the bigger muscle groups, but I think it is important for people to perform direct exercises for the neck and calves and, if their vertical pulling movement isn’t a front grip pulldown or chin up, abs. These are relatively small muscle groups and the addition of exercises doesn’t appear to increase the demand on recovery ability significantly.

  • Bill Pruitt Aug 5, 2014 @ 19:16

    really great workout plans above Drew. Thank you and thank you for your great informative site. I wish I could do back squats, dead lifts and stiff legs but at age 50 had 2 (almost crippling – for several days) injuries doing back squats from a herniated disk so have to work around that and avoid any direct back compression exercises. Also do lots of stretches for lower back and some traction therapy.

    • Drew Baye Aug 21, 2014 @ 13:57

      Hey Bill,

      You’re welcome. Hip-belt squats or leg presses on a properly designed machine will allow you to effectively train your legs without re-injuring or worsening your back.