Question: Hey Drew. Thanks for all the blogs and all the replies to comments. Between yourself and Doug McGuff (and a few others) I have amassed an enormous amount of knowledge on resistance training and diet. So many thanks for that. Also can’t wait for your Elements of Form at the end of the month. I have a question, how do I know if I’m doing too little. I personally don’t think I am because after my sub eight-minute once a week workouts I can’t fathom another exercise. I do a three-way split after having read one of Doug’s blog entries. So it is as follows:
Week 1- leg press, machine shoulder press, shoulder raise and pull down
Week 2- pull ups (unassisted), calf raises (on the leg press) dips (unassisted), grip (Ivanko hand gripper)
Week 3- deadlifts, machine chest fly, seated chest press
And then I start again at week one and continue for a few months. I am progressing on all exercises, whether it’s another rep, more weight, or a slightly longer set. There is definite muscle growth because nothing really fits me anymore. Pants are impossible because the waist to quad/ glute ratio doesn’t work well. So I definitely know I’m progressing.
My question is, am I doing too little? I feel I can’t do more because of the intensity I train at. But I was curious from a professionals point of view. Thanks a lot Drew.
Answer: If you are making steady progress during your workouts and towards your goals you’re probably not doing too little. Depending on your recovery ability you may be able to train more frequently and make slightly better progress and these workouts could be condensed into two which would allow you to perform each of the exercises more frequently even if you continued training only once per week, but ultimately it comes down to whether you’re happy with your results.
You’ve got most of the major muscle groups covered, but I would suggest the addition of a horizontal pulling movement (deadlifting does work a lot of the same muscles, but not with the same intensity of effort – your upper back doesn’t reach momentary muscle failure during deadlifts) and timed static contraction neck extension and flexion. As a practical minimum I recommend a bodybuilding routine contain at least one of the following. A beginner who isn’t training intensely may include all of these in the same workout, and advanced trainees may need to split them in half or thirds (to allow for the addition of simple exercises targeting muscle groups that need work), but however you organize them your routine should include these six compound movements:
- Squatting (e.g. squat variations, leg press, lunge)
- Trunk (Hip & Back) Extension (e.g. deadlift variations, hip extension, trunk extension)
- Horizontal Push (e.g. bench press, chest press, parallel bar dip)
- Horizontal Pull (e.g. bent-over row, compound row, “Australian” pull-up)
- Vertical Push (e.g. standing press, shoulder press)
- Vertical Pull (e.g. chin-up, pull-up, pulldown)
…and these four simple movements:
- Ankle Plantar Flexion (e.g. heel raise, calf raise)
- Neck Extension
- Neck Flexion
- Trunk Flexion (e.g. weighted crunches, abdominal machine)
The first six movements effectively address all the bigger muscle groups but not the calves or neck and beginners often don’t perform any of the other exercises intensely enough to effectively work the abs (they are involved in almost every exercise, but being involved is not the same as being efficiently loaded and worked with maximum intensity of effort).
I do not include direct forearm or grip work here because most beginners get enough from the pulling exercises, especially if their trunk extension movement is a deadlift. I would, however, begin adding direct forearm and grip work (alternating between wrist flexion and extension and gripping) once we started to split their workouts up so individual workout volume would not be excessive.
Divided into two workouts, including forearm work, this would only require six exercises per workout, and only three of those would be compound movements so the systemic demand shouldn’t be so high as to prevent you from maintaining a high intensity of effort throughout. Using the exercises you mentioned, I would reorganize them as follows:
Workout A:
- Leg Press
- Compound Row
- Shoulder Press
- Abdominal
- Gripping (Right) or Thick Bar Wrist Ext
- Gripping (Left) or Thick Bar Wrist Curl
Workout B:
- Deadlift
- Dip or Chest Press
- Pull-up or Pulldown (I recommend Chin-up over Pull-up)
- Heel Raise
- Neck Extension or Neck Lateral Flexion (Right)
- Neck Flexion or Neck Lateral Flexion (Left)
If you wanted a little more variety you could alternate between exercises like dips and chest press. This would have you performing each of the basic movements more frequently without needing to work out more frequently and without increasing exercise volume much. The three compound exercises in the first half of each of these will make huge systemic demands when performed properly and with little rest in between, but the three simple exercises in the second half involve much less muscle mass, require much less energy to perform with the same level of intensity, and will not increase the recovery demands of the workouts significantly.
My reasons for recommending a thick bar for wrist extensions and curls are covered in How To Build Bigger Arms. I recommend Fat Gripz for these if you workout at a gym and they don’t have a thick bar. If you work out at home and don’t have a thick bar for less than half the cost you can buy a two-foot length of two-inch diameter schedule 40 PVC pipe and a five foot chain and carabiner (pictured above) to make one.
If you still find this too much and want to split it into three workouts, I recommend the following which includes only two compound exercises in each workout and adds a simple exercise to round them out:
Workout A:
- Leg Press
- Pull-up or Pulldown (I recommend Chin-up over Pull-up)
- Lateral Raise
- Gripping (Right) or Wrist Ext
- Gripping (Left) or Wrist Curl
Workout B:
- Deadlift
- Dip or Chest Press
- Pullover
- Neck Extension or Neck Lateral Flexion (Right)
- Neck Flexion or Neck Lateral Flexion (Left)
Workout C:
- Shoulder Press
- Compound Row
- Chest Fly
- Heel Raise
- Abdominal
If you decide to give these a try, please comment after you’ve gone through a few of each and let me know how it works for you. For more on exercise selection and routine design see High Intensity Workouts.
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Hi Drew
Thanks for the great posts. I am interested to know how you would re arrange my workous as I don’t want skip any important exercise
I am lucky enough to have an ARX Omni which is an incredible machine as you know!
The workouts are
Workout A
Chest Press
Pec Flye
Pulldown
Tricep Extension
Row
Shoulder Press
I use the Inroad Mode, about 1.15-2 mins to failure
At the end of workout 2 I also do:
Trap Bar Deadlift (4 sets of 10 reps increasing the weight
each time)
Leg Press (using Dardons 30-30-30, one set) or belt squat on Omni
(Static hold) which is brutal!
I do each workout once per week, roughly on a Tuesday and Thursday
and do nothing else in the meantime other than cycle a fair amount
Cheers for your advise
Matt
Hey Matt,
With the intensity of effort and degree of inroading possible with the ARX Omni you’ve got to be conservative with the volume (the harder you train, the less you should do each workout). I would simplify this to:
Workout A:
1. Belt Squat
2. Compound Row
3. Chest Press
4. Crunch (on the Omni using the Pulldown)
5. Thick Bar Wrist Extension* or Gripping
6. Thick Bar Wrist Flexion* or Gripping
*Using Fat Gripz over the handles on the Omni or rigging something with a two-foot length of two-inch diameter PVC, chain, and carabiners.
Workout B:
1. Deadlift
2. Shoulder Press
3. Pulldown
4. Heel Raise
5. TSC Neck Extension
6. TSC Neck Flexion
I helped test and give design feedback on Randy’s original ARX prototype (back when it was called Cra-Z-Train) and consulted for the company for a while and love their machines. We are planning to get an Omni for training here to replace all of our free weight equipment (less hassle) some time this year. If you want to discuss any of these in more detail I’m available for consultations.
Drew
Thanks for the reply. I shall follow that and also do my best at following
Getting Ripped at the moment, trying to lower my BF from 16% to 10-12%
One last question. Is there any advantage to doing a week of Omni / machine
type exercise, and alternating with a week of body weight and / or barbell exercise?
A chin up has such a different feel to a Pulldown, feels right to do both
Once I am done with the next two months training & diet I will get in touch for consult
Cheers
Matt
Hey Matt,
If you’re performing the exercises on the ARX Omni you don’t need to alternate them with the free weights or bodyweight unless you want to improve your skill in those exercises. While chin-ups and pulldowns do feel slightly different, both target the same muscles and are interchangeable for anyone strong enough to chin themselves for a sufficient number of repetitions. We’re looking into getting an ARX Omni and if we do we will be getting rid of all of our free weights and only keeping the UXS bodyweight multi-exercise station.
Look forward to talking with you again, and I will be putting a section on accommodating resistance machines in Elements of Form since I have a feeling these are going to become a lot more common over the next ten years.
3-way splits are my bread and butter workouts. Legs, like back, are grueling, demanding a day of their own. I have found some overlap is helpful, on arms especially. My best split to date, borrowed from my dear friend Bill Sahli, is…
1) Chest & Tris
2) Back & Delts
3) Bis & Legs
Progress is expected and evident every single workout…sometimes to the tune of 3-4 reps!
Hey Lifter,
These can be effective when designed properly. For a three-way split I prefer the following, although I don’t do this often:
Workout A: Back, Rear Delts/Traps, Biceps
Workout B: Chest, Front/Mid Delts, Triceps
Workout C: Legs, Trunk, Neck
Direct forearm work is usually split up between A (wrist flexion) and B (wrist extension) with the option of gripping at the end of C. High Intensity Workouts contains examples of these.
Using this type of split routine, would you recommend inserting workout C between A and B on an alternating basis similar to what Mike Mentzer did with his Ideal Routine?
Hey Andy,
That’s what I usually do with specialization routines after first performing them a few times in a row, usually in an ABABC pattern.
Oh wow. Massive thank you for that, Drew. It makes a lot of sense how you have reorganised it. I will start as of next week with Workout A and then Workout B the following week. I’ll see how I go week after week and will update you.
Many thanks again.
Greg
Hey Greg,
You’re welcome!
hey Drew, i believe this is all about trial and error to find out what works best for the individual. Many months ago i was performing 28 exercises once a week and was making progress each week, however, you indicated to me that if i could perform that many exercises then i was not working the one set hard enough…..that made a lot of sense, so i dropped down to 12-14 exercises once a week after the purchase of Gary Bannisters book “if you like exercise, chances are you are doing it wrong”, this book was an eye opener for me, i started out 3 days a week full body and reduced to once a week and notice gains each time i workout. sometimes i do feel guilty of not working out more, so i just visit your website or read one the hit books to set me straight again.
dan
Hey Dan,
The principles are the same for everybody, however the best application of those principles varies considerably due to differences in individual response to exercise so some experimentation is required. I discuss this in The Sun Tan Analogy and in High Intensity Workouts.
hi Drew, so are we talking a twice per week work out here for the A B work out? (such as a Monday and Friday ?) , And what do you suggest for the 3 way split? (curious how you would use it).
thanks.
Hey Brad,
I recommend two workouts per week as a starting point for experienced trainees new to HIT (if you’re just starting to work out three days would be a better starting point since your intensity of effort will be much lower). From there the volume and frequency of individual workouts would need to be adjusted based on your body’s response to exercise. I discuss this and provide several three way splits in High Intensity Workouts.
thanks Drew, I dug deeper into your past article’s and actually found the answer in there, thanks for your patience, these questions must get a little redundant after a while lol.
Hey Brad,
No problem. I’ve been training people and writing about exercise over twenty years now, so the same questions do come up a lot, and I’ve already addressed most of the big ones on this site and in my books. The best thing to do before asking a question is to use the search at the top of the page, since you will likely find several articles on the topic you’re interested in and be able to get answers immediately instead of having to wait for me to moderate comments.
Hi Drew,
I am wondering if there are any different exercises you would recommend for a rock climber? When climbing we pull up with palms facing away. So would pull-ups as opposed to chin ups be better for me.? Pull-ups tend to aggravate my medial epicondylitis. Also we use a lot of finger strength. Do you recommend any training for the wrist flexors/extensor (using the fingers) that involve closing and opening the hand/fingers while keeping the wrist in a fixed position as opposed to tradition wrist flextion/extension which involves keeping the fingers in a fixed position while moving the wrist. For the finger flextion I have been hanging off of a pull up bar with an open grip (fingers extended and no thumb wrapped around) until I give out. For finger extension I do a 30 sec time static contraction by putting fingers inside a large cup and pressing outward for 10sec moderate/10sec near max/10sec max. I do both of these once a week. My finger extensors often get sore near my elbow indicating to me that they are weak.
Warmly,
Will
Hey William,
Chin-ups work the same muscles but put the biceps brachii in a more favorable position (due to the muscle’s length-tension curve) making arm strength less of a limiting factor.
I recommend performing both gripping and wrist flexion and extension exercises if you want to maximize grip and forearm development. Finger hang static holds work well also. You could alternate, performing gripping and finger hangs one workout, wrist flexion and extension the next.
Hi Drew,
Two more questions.
1.) would you recommend any supination/pronation forearm exercises for a rock climber to protect against tennis/golf elbow?
2.) You said in the comment to Lifter that you do not often do a 3-way split routine. What is the difference between the 3-way routine you posted in the article and the one you mentioned in the comment to Lifter? The one in the main article uses legs on more than one day and has no direct bicep/triceps work (instead using flys and pullovers). The one in the comment to Lifter only uses legs on one day and has direct bicep/triceps work. Could you expand on why you prefer the 3-way in the main article.
Regards,
Will
Hey William,
Supination and pronation are often used in rehabilitation for these and can be added to your workouts without increasing volume significantly.
The first routine posted is not a split, each of the workouts contain a combination of exercises which targets most of the big muscle groups, and the third also involves legs in the form of heel raises. I explain the difference between routines consisting of multiple full-body workouts, routines with multiple body-part emphasis workouts, and true split routines in High Intensity Workouts.
Many rock climbers pull their hamstrings while heel hooking (basically a static leg curl). I’m assuming the best way to prevent this is to strengthen the hamstring by performing leg curls. I don’t have access to a well designed leg curl machine (I go to a commeril gym). Is there another way to preform leg curls or should dead lift be enough to strengthen to hamstring?
Will, again…
Hey William,
You can work the hamstrings with squats, deadlifts, trunk extension, hip raises, or performing timed static contraction leg curls against a belt, strap, or padded bar.
Thank you Drew. That was immensely helpful to get me started. I will purchase your book to start sculpting a program. So appreciate you taking the time to respond. Cheers
Hey William,
You’re welcome, and please let me know if you have questions after reading the books.
Hi Drew,
Have one more question about pronation/supination forearm exercises. Should I treat this like any other muscle and exercise it in an HIT fashion until completely inroaded or should I take it a little easier and not worry about inroading since it’s such a small muscle. It feels like it puts a lot of pressure on tendons, so I wasn’t sure if there was any concern of tearing them. Most rehab places just have you twist a sledge hammer from side to side (or using a stretch band) with your elbow at a %90 angle, so I know this is not in line with HIT methodology. So should I treat it like a rehab exercise (and go lighter) or should I push it hard HIT style? I assumed this wasn’t answered in your book so I thought I’d ask you. Thanks again for your help.
Regards,
Will
Hey William,
Wrist pronation and supination should be treated like any other exercise. I have a DIY solution for performing pronation/supination I will post when I have time to build an example.
Hello Drew, can ChinUp/PullUp/Pulldown be replaced with Pullover?
Hey Ondrej,
You would need both a pullover and an arm curl to replace these exercises.
Sitting kills and proper exercise form is essential.
I never thought about sitting being that bad and in the past I didn’t pay that much attention to proper exercise form/technique, but right now I’m seriously thinking everything over (i mean training and lifestyle wise).
I’m still pretty hardcore computer user, mostly because I don’t watch tv and I do most of the things with my pc (email, reading, videogames etc.) Growing up, and playing videogames all the time is fun for sure, but now thinking about it (24 years old), maybe that time should have been used for something else. Well, of course I’ve music (I’m a drummer myself), but the funny about that too is that you still sit. A lot. I use to practise like 8h a day for weeks when I was in my prime. So why I’m telling this?
Well, for few weeks now, I’ve had some lower back pain. First, I did not know where it came from, but after a training sessions I noticed it. Not sure what exactly triggered it, but I’m sure it has something to do with stiff-leg deadlift. And of course sitting. After that training session I couldn’t sit properly, so did the math. I did something wrong. I moved slowly and I didn’t use too much weight. I even had a friend looking my form etc. Still, something went wrong, maybe just slightly but still wrong. Either way, the combination of improper exercise form and sitting a lot on daily basis is a killer. Seriously.
I’m still off gym, but not off training. I train at my home, mainly bodyweight exercises but I’ve some dumbbells and a barbell. And this has been major lesson for me. Instead of reps, I’ve emphasized on TUL, timing sets, and really focusing on proper form as well as targeting selected muscle groups. Going pretty much superslow and the progress has been great.
Watching your (Drew) 21convention clip about bodyweight squats was indeed an eyeopener. I’ve been doing HIT a pretty long time now (comparing to other exercise “styles”), and still that video was, well a reminder. I’ve squatted 6x120kg “Mentzer”-style, around 3-4 secs up and down, but I still couldn’t do countless reps of bodyweight squats. I was sceptical, thus obviously wrong. Drew, you were – and are – right about that one. Well, you are pretty much right about “everything” here on your site, in my opinion at least. I wish I could have a trainer like you, but living in other side of the world ain’t gonna help. Boy, I wish had somebody like you showing me all these things years ago. I’m lucky that I didn’t “kill” myself training like dumbass, like most of the people at the gym. Eventually this had to happen, and now my back tells me: “I told you.”
To the point, ok ok… Whist I’m training home, I’ve found that lower back need some sort of improvisation to be worked out, so I want to ask some advice. I don’t want to use weights, at least heavy weights, so any advice? And do you recommend anything else for my back? It’s getting and has been better for now, but there is something still going on with my back. My guess is sciatic nerve, nothing major luckily. I asked you about stretching in the past, and in my understanding, if you are healthy person with healthy joints and your muscles and limbs work in full range of motion, stretching is bascily useless, am I right? But now, when I’m not exactly healthy, should I do something else than strengthen the muscles supporting that specific area?
(If this still continues for some time, I will seek physical therapy or something)
In the end, I want to personally thank you, for your answers and your guidance on your website. I think “fitness” industry needs more people like you. Thanks!
Sitting kills. Pay attention to proper exercise form!
Hey Chief,
I agree that sedentarism is harmful but this doesn’t mean people should be working out constantly. People need to balance rest and non-physical activity with physical recreation and exercise (which are not the same).
As for the lower back, if you want to avoid using weight the best options are prone trunk extensions, hyperextensions on a 45-degree roman chair, or TSC deadlifts. TSC deadlifts can be performed using a TSC platform, cable bar attachment and chain.
Thanks for the answer.
Yeah, I didn’t mean that people should be training/working out all the time, what I basicly mean is that “stay active”, as recreational for example. I kinda live “isolated”, in terms of work and hobbies. Like said, I read a lot etc. I train about twice a week now. I’m balancing the frequency with my sleep-rythms (being a problem for time to time) and now of course with my back. I’m really interested training at home right now.
I think I will buy Project Kratos, because it seems like good info on that part and it has been getting good reviews in my opinion. I have some questions about the progression with bodyweight exercises.
I understand the lever-“system”, making exercise harder or easier for you – depending on your physical level – but does the same system apply to the TSC belt squat? I’m working to build, which was a great idea on your part. I know it’s kinda “stupid” to think that the exercises would get easy so fast, but I’m focusing on long term goals. Somehow I worry about the leg exercises, “are they hard enough”. I was thinking about cycling between normal bodyweight squat (or goblet squat with dumbbell or maybe even just a belt squat with additional weighs) and TSC belt squat when I get the board done. One legged squat would be great, when I have the courage to try it. Maybe I should use a chair with one legged squat as a starting point.
As for deadlifts, I ain’t gonna do them for a while, so I have to work my lower back and hamstrings separately or with some other exercises. Do you think that hip raise with additional weights is enough? Upper body is the easiest part.
Hey Chief,
Almost all of this, including scaling the difficulty of hip raises, is covered in Project Kratos. People only assume the lower body is easier to train with bodyweight than the upper body because they don’t know how to make the exercises harder.
Changes in position and leverage affect the difficulty of yielding isometric protocols like static holds but not overcoming isometric protocols like Timed Static Contractions. TSC alternatives for most exercises are also covered in the book and will be expanded on in the phase three book coming out next year.