Q&A: Determining The Starting Resistance For New Subjects

Question:

How do you choose the right weights and reps on different exercises for a new client? Most of the trainers where I work either do one rep max tests or estimate one rep max based on how many reps they can do with a weight, then do a test with a percentage of that to determine rep range. I am not comfortable having new people do one rep maxes or even going all out with less weight, but I don’t want to just guess either.

Answer: 

When working with a new subject your first priority should be teaching them to perform the exercises correctly rather than working them hard.  The weight selection and rep count needs to be appropriate for learning and practicing proper form, and as their form and confidence improves the resistance can be increased and you can adjust the rep range based on their level of skill and response to exercise.  It is important that they learn to train intensely, but unless they learn proper form first they’re more likely to get hurt in the long run.

Weight stacks on SuperSlow Systems strength training machinesWhen learning a new exercise the weight must not be so heavy the subject has difficulty learning how to correctly perform the movement, but heavy enough for the subject to be able to feel the effect in the target muscles and to provide adequate reactionary force for the subject to learn to brace against to maintain proper positioning and/or alignment. A good starting weight will allow for the performance of a moderate to high number of repetitions with only the last few repetitions being somewhat challenging.

Through trial and error you will get a feel for roughly how much weight to use starting out on different exercises for someone based on their sex, age, size, appearance and previous training experience, but it is always best to err on the light side if you’re not sure. When you are instructing them, tell them the purpose of the first few workouts is to learn and practice proper form and you will be selecting a weight for that purpose, and that it should only start to feel moderately challenging after a few repetitions.

Tell them if the weight feels somewhat light that is fine and you will increase it by an appropriate amount the next workout, but if it feels too heavy after a repetition or two to set it down or go to the start position and let you know (but make it absolutely clear they are not to compromise proper body position or the neutral position of the head and neck while under load, by turning towards you to talk, for example). If necessary reduce the weight somewhat and have them start over.

When teaching a new exercise I recommend starting the subject with a slightly higher rep range. I use an upper repetition count total of fifteen at first (which is high when using a cadence of 4/4) and reduce it to a range of six to ten for compound pushing movements and five to eight for other exercises involving a squeeze technique once the subject has become proficient at performing the exercise. More advanced subjects may use an even lower range depending on their response.

I strongly advise against one rep max testing as it is highly skill dependent, poses a high risk of injury and is completely unnecessary. A beginner’s lack of familiarity, skill and confidence with the exercise prevents the test from providing any useful information. I am aware of some personal training studios who do one rep max testing knowing the lack of familiarity will cause new subjects’ starting strength level to be understated because it gives them the appearance of having gained much more strength then they actually have when they are retested. This practice is highly unethical as it is both dishonest and dangerous for the subject.

Even higher repetition maximum tests should not be performed with beginning subjects. Although it is safer than one rep max testing, the lack of skill and familiarity with how far they can safely push themselves will result in an understatement of their actual strength. It is also impossible to accurately determine a subject’s one repetition maximum from a higher repetition maximum test since the relationship between the two varies considerably between individuals. One person might only be able to perform three or four reps with 80% of their 1RM, while another might be able to perform twice or even three times as many.

If you start a subject with a moderate weight and increase it gradually based on their performance they will eventually progress to the point where they are achieving momentary muscular failure within the prescribed repetition range. From that point on you have a relatively objective means of comparing exercise performance over time – the weight they are able to perform a particular number of repetitions with in the prescribed form (e.g., ten repetitions at 4/4, five repetitions at 10/10, etc.). There is no need to perform separate testing. You just need to keep accurate records of subjects’ workouts.

While a wide range of repetitions can be effective some people will do better with slightly higher or lower repetitions. This can be determined by with accurate record keeping and experimentation without doing a specific fiber type or fatigue response test.

Subjects who may respond better to fewer repetitions often have difficulty performing an exercise for more than a specific number of repetitions or time under load without a significant weight reduction. If you increase the weight on an exercise by a small amount on a regular basis they are able to consistently perform roughly the same number of repetitions or amount of time, but not many more.

Subjects who may respond better to more repetitions may go up in reps regularly, but often have difficulty with weight increases and their form deteriorates if weight is increased before they are capable of performing some higher number of repetitions. If you wait until they are able to perform more repetitions before increasing the resistance they have no problems.

If a subject is stuck at a particular repetition count total on an exercise for a period of time despite everything else appearing to be in order (workout volume, recovery time, rest, nutrition, accounting for other activities and stresses, etc.) try adding a small amount of weight (2.5 lbs or 2.5%, whichever is smaller). If they are consistently able to achieve that repetition count total with the smaller increases and it is not too low for safety set it as their new repetition count total.

If a subject has a difficult time achieving a repetition count total within the prescribed rep range or if their form deteriorates with resistance increases, back the resistance down and wait until they are able to achieve a few more reps before increasing the weight. If they have no problem with the heavier weight after that, raise their upper repetition goal number.

Updated 1/29/13 to reflect change in recommended repetition cadence to 4/4

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  • Brendan Mar 25, 2012 @ 23:13

    My question concerns rep range and cadence more than the starting weight. If you assume that an individual is working well with a certain rep range and cadence and therefore TUL, is it incorrect to conclude that varying the rep range and cadence, but keeping the TUL constant will result in a more intense workout as it creates a different stimulus requiring the same response?

    • Drew Baye Mar 25, 2012 @ 23:41

      Brendan,

      In most cases reducing movement speed results in better form, particularly better turnaround technique and the ability to focus on intensely contracting the target musculature. This doesn’t result in a different type of stimulus, but by increasing the intensity it makes it more effective.

      • Brendan Mar 26, 2012 @ 0:42

        Thanks for the clarification. So if I were to refine my conclusion, rep range in not as important as cadence, TUL, and intensity and that there is an inverse relationship between cadence and intensity such that the lower the cadence (without being stop/start and jittery) the greater the intensity? So does that leave rep range as a proxy measure of strength increases for those who cannot/do not measure TUL e.g., if you can perform 6 reps at 100kg with a 5/5 cadence, then next workout perform 7 reps at 100kg with 5/5 cadence you are stronger? Also, could you then place cadence as a technique for increasing intensity much like negatives, forced reps, rest-pause etc as noted by Mike Mentzer and others? Finally, what is more important for progress, decreasing cadence or increasing weight eg if you can perform 10 reps at 40kg with a 5/5 cadence, instead of increasing by 5-10% should you aim to achieve 10 reps at 40 kgs with a 6/6 cadence and so on until you reach the slowest cadence possible without being stop/start and then focus on increasing weight?

        • Drew Baye Mar 26, 2012 @ 11:12

          Brendan,

          The number of repetitions performed is important, but nowhere near as important as how they are performed. A lower cadence does not necessarily mean higher intensity, as it is possible for a person to move faster while training very hard or slower without a high level of effort, however a slower rep speed makes it easier to maintain strict form and keep the tension on the target muscles more consistent and to focus on contracting them more intensely.

          Assuming everything else – style of performance, load, etc. – is the same an increase in repetitions would indicate an increase in strength. There are important differences between slower cadence and the other methods you mention (negatives, forced reps, etc.) which I will be addressing elsewhere.

          Rather than reducing cadence gradually over time I recommend just going down to 10/10 and adjusting your rep range accordingly. Focus on performing your reps as strictly as possible, and when you can perform your upper repetition guide number in good form (bad reps shouldn’t be counted for the sake of safe progression) add a small amount of weight.

  • Donnie Hunt Mar 27, 2012 @ 22:51

    Hey Drew, This is great! Very inspiring, motivating read here. Truely mastering the weight, controlling the weight is a challenge. Really makes me focus in on the movement. All this talk of high effort, safety, low wear and tear, intentional/controlled movement makes a great deal of sense.

  • Steven.turner Mar 28, 2012 @ 16:51

    Hi Drew,

    I completely agree with your “Answer comments”. I have also seen some personal trainers train first time clients to total exhaustion causing serious DOMS.

  • Brian Schamber Mar 28, 2012 @ 17:17

    I have been using Max/Static Contractions and enjoy the brevity of the workout sessions. As you know the contractions can last for as little as 1-6 seconds. From your experience, can a lighter resistance for a longer hold time (30-120 seconds) exhaust the four different types of muscle fibers as effectivley as the the heavier loads do? I am guessing that is why the max pyramid techinque was introduced, along with current equipment limitations.

    Thanks,
    Brian

    • Drew Baye Apr 3, 2012 @ 10:26

      Brian,

      We use 90 second timed static contractions (30 seconds of moderate effort, 30 seconds of almost-max effort, 30 seconds of max effort) and I would recommend them over static holds if you need to perform isometrics to work around equipment or physical limitations.

  • Eric Mar 29, 2012 @ 22:47

    Drew, how would your suggest one go about using the 3×3 protocol then, something you and others (such as Matt Brzycki) used to espouse? How does that fit in the 10/10 tempo paradigm if one wishes to use such a program on occasion and how does one go about modifying the reps accordingly to maintain the desired effect of the 3×3 approach?

    • Drew Baye Apr 3, 2012 @ 10:21

      Eric,

      With this protocol a 3×3 (nine sets of compound exercises) would be overkill. This deserves it’s own article and will be added to my list of topics to address.

  • Ond?ej Ture?ek (@OTurecek) Mar 31, 2012 @ 4:22

    Hello Drew,
    I exercise with dumbbells. I Just bough the Dumbbell Training for Strength and Fitness. Is your total body workout no.2 still recommended including the 2-4 rep.speed, going to muscular fatigue etc.? I want the best possible plan for dumbbell training as in my country (Czech Republic) the fitness centres don’t use the most advanced machines, only HammerStrength has a centre in Prague. No MedX, Nautilus…etc. Is there any more “advanced” dumbbell workout in 101 High Intensity Workouts or any of your books? Or should I just do the no.2 full body workout? I suppose you made some progress since 2006, the release of the book, maybe in multiple areas – rep. speed, failure…
    Thank you very much and good luck with your new book Elements of Form.

    • Drew Baye Apr 12, 2012 @ 11:55

      Andrew,

      I recommend a slower rep cadence (approximately 10/10) than what Fred suggests in the book. There are a lot of free weight and body weight workouts in High Intensity Workouts, and you will find plenty in there you can use with the equipment available at your gym.

  • Will Apr 3, 2012 @ 13:51

    I’m looking forward to a discussion of the 3 x 3 protocol; it’s something I’ve used (on and off, which great effect, and great enjoyment). I do not concern myself with TUL or with rep cadence. I simply find the 10/10 rep speed to be unnecessary for my interests. I do concern myself, even when doing 3 x 3’s, with proper turn-around technique.

    • Drew Baye Apr 23, 2012 @ 11:25

      Will,

      One of the reasons for the 10/10 protocol is it allows for much better turnaround technique. We’ve found most people are unable to perform a proper turnaround without moving a cadence at least as slow as 5/5 and this tends to improve as cadence approaches 10/10.

      I will be revisiting the 3×3 workouts in a later article.

  • Andrew Apr 4, 2012 @ 12:33

    Hello, I’d like to ask about your full body dumbbell plan no. 2 in the book Dumbbell training for strength and fitness. Is it good as it is or do you suggest some changes to it? It was released in 2006. There is a 2/4 cadence etc. How many times a week should I train using this protocol when I’m 22 yo? I thought 2x a week would be ok, then I’d adjust to less if I didn’t make progress in some time. (based on the chart)
    Thanks

    • Drew Baye Apr 23, 2012 @ 11:23

      Andrew,

      I don’t recall the exact routine I gave Fred for the book, but for most people a frequency of twice weekly is a good starting point. Keep accurate records of your workouts and if you’re not making regular, consistent progress and assuming you’re eating well and getting enough sleep, skip a workout and resume training at a slightly reduced frequency to see if you need more recovery time.

  • Brian Liebler Apr 9, 2012 @ 5:44

    Drew,
    In what position should the legs be in with a TSC leg extension? (ie full contracted, 1/2 way or does it really matter?)
    Brian

    • Drew Baye Apr 9, 2012 @ 9:38

      Brian,

      When performing timed static contraction on most movements I recommend using a position near the middle of your range of motion. It does matter, and I will address it in an upcoming Q&A post.

  • johnny q Apr 15, 2012 @ 11:36

    If a weight loss candidate starts eating maintenance calories at target weight (i.e. 150 lb. * 15 calories = 2,250), won’t the candidate eventually reach target weight?

    • Drew Baye Apr 16, 2012 @ 11:42

      Johnny,

      Not necessarily, because daily calorie expenditure is more a matter of lean body mass than total body mass. While the additional body fat burns some calories, it isn’t much.

      Also, even if there is a calorie deficit whether fat is lost or not depends on the hormonal state which is influenced by the types of food eaten. If the types of food eaten result in a hormonal environment unfavorable for fat loss your body may respond by catabolizing lean body mass or lowering metabolic rate instead.

      A better approach is to estimate calorie expenditure based on lean body mass (Katch McArdle formula).

  • johnny q Apr 15, 2012 @ 11:39

    How often in a week does the trainee perform the timed static contractions referred above? They are isometrics, right?

    • Drew Baye Apr 16, 2012 @ 11:31

      Johnny,

      Timed static contraction is an isometric exercise protocol. I will be writing an article on that later.