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		<title>By: jay horn</title>
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		<dc:creator>jay horn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To clarify, when I speak of forces on connective tissues, I am speaking on the joints as well. Makes sense to me.  2 + 2 = 4. Maybe it doesn&#039;t now... Not sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify, when I speak of forces on connective tissues, I am speaking on the joints as well. Makes sense to me.  2 + 2 = 4. Maybe it doesn&#8217;t now&#8230; Not sure.</p>
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		<title>By: jay horn</title>
		<link>http://baye.com/explosive-training/comment-page-1/#comment-7350</link>
		<dc:creator>jay horn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like Eric has his head up his ass.  Since he&#039;s 45 and has gotten away with lifting like an idiot, I guess that all the proof he needs.  I&#039;m willing to bet if he had a different experience in the past that resulted in an injury from his explosive training I think he would view this in a different light despite what his beloved Ballistic-Experts say.  Then again...perhaps not.

The connective tissues work in conjuction with the muscle. When your muscle encounters a heavy enough load at a moderate speed (such as &quot;HUMAN MOVEMENT&quot; in daily life) our connective tissues are able to handle the force upon the muscle with no problems.  But when you try and move a heavier load deliberately fast it is very possible that those same connective tissues will NOT be able to accommodate the high forces that are now being placed upon them. You and anyone else that does this flirts with disaster.  Force = mass x acceleration, Eric. 

It doesn&#039;t take a genius to figure this out.  What the so called experts are saying is very much incorrect. And although I don&#039;t have a fancy degree or credential after my name, I do know truth when I see, hear and read it.  I believe it was Mike Mentzer that once said &quot;I don&#039;t have exhaustive knowledge on the subject, but what I&#039;m certain about I&#039;m certain about&quot;.  Well I am certain about this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like Eric has his head up his ass.  Since he&#8217;s 45 and has gotten away with lifting like an idiot, I guess that all the proof he needs.  I&#8217;m willing to bet if he had a different experience in the past that resulted in an injury from his explosive training I think he would view this in a different light despite what his beloved Ballistic-Experts say.  Then again&#8230;perhaps not.</p>
<p>The connective tissues work in conjuction with the muscle. When your muscle encounters a heavy enough load at a moderate speed (such as &#8220;HUMAN MOVEMENT&#8221; in daily life) our connective tissues are able to handle the force upon the muscle with no problems.  But when you try and move a heavier load deliberately fast it is very possible that those same connective tissues will NOT be able to accommodate the high forces that are now being placed upon them. You and anyone else that does this flirts with disaster.  Force = mass x acceleration, Eric. </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t take a genius to figure this out.  What the so called experts are saying is very much incorrect. And although I don&#8217;t have a fancy degree or credential after my name, I do know truth when I see, hear and read it.  I believe it was Mike Mentzer that once said &#8220;I don&#8217;t have exhaustive knowledge on the subject, but what I&#8217;m certain about I&#8217;m certain about&#8221;.  Well I am certain about this!</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Baye</title>
		<link>http://baye.com/explosive-training/comment-page-1/#comment-2164</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew Baye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJ,

If a person wishes to compete in powerlifting or weight lifting they should alternate &lt;em&gt;general&lt;/em&gt; strength training workouts with workouts focusing on the specific competitive lifts. The frequency would depend on individual recovery ability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJ,</p>
<p>If a person wishes to compete in powerlifting or weight lifting they should alternate <em>general</em> strength training workouts with workouts focusing on the specific competitive lifts. The frequency would depend on individual recovery ability.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ Witoslawski</title>
		<link>http://baye.com/explosive-training/comment-page-1/#comment-2163</link>
		<dc:creator>AJ Witoslawski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How should someone combine proper strength training with powerlifting or oly-lifting? Instead of doing strength workouts, say, three times a week, should strength workouts be performed twice a week and &quot;skill&quot; workouts once a week?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How should someone combine proper strength training with powerlifting or oly-lifting? Instead of doing strength workouts, say, three times a week, should strength workouts be performed twice a week and &#8220;skill&#8221; workouts once a week?</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Baye</title>
		<link>http://baye.com/explosive-training/comment-page-1/#comment-2133</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew Baye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 23:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erik,

Pointing out that a supposed expert uses a particular method is not a valid argument for it. If the people you mention recommend explosive lifting speeds for anyone other than competitive weight lifters, I wouldn&#039;t consider them to be experts any way. In fact, I&#039;ve seen some of Mike Boyle&#039;s training videos on youtube, and to call them idiotic would be a polite understatement. 

I could name professional strength coaches and physical therapists who recommend not lifting explosively, but just because someone who should be an authority on the subject says something doesn&#039;t make it so. It&#039;s not &lt;em&gt;who&lt;/em&gt; says it, it&#039;s the evidence and reasoning behind what is said that matters. So you can keep saying that so-and-so says this, and so-and-so says that, but unless you can provide a good reason for it, I&#039;m not interested. 

Since there is no transfer of skill, including speed of performance, from strength training exercises to other activities, and since moving faster during exercise does not improve your results in any other way, there is no reason to recommend explosive lifting over slow, controlled lifting. However, since explosive lifting is more likely to injure you there is a good reason &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; to recommend it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erik,</p>
<p>Pointing out that a supposed expert uses a particular method is not a valid argument for it. If the people you mention recommend explosive lifting speeds for anyone other than competitive weight lifters, I wouldn&#8217;t consider them to be experts any way. In fact, I&#8217;ve seen some of Mike Boyle&#8217;s training videos on youtube, and to call them idiotic would be a polite understatement. </p>
<p>I could name professional strength coaches and physical therapists who recommend not lifting explosively, but just because someone who should be an authority on the subject says something doesn&#8217;t make it so. It&#8217;s not <em>who</em> says it, it&#8217;s the evidence and reasoning behind what is said that matters. So you can keep saying that so-and-so says this, and so-and-so says that, but unless you can provide a good reason for it, I&#8217;m not interested. </p>
<p>Since there is no transfer of skill, including speed of performance, from strength training exercises to other activities, and since moving faster during exercise does not improve your results in any other way, there is no reason to recommend explosive lifting over slow, controlled lifting. However, since explosive lifting is more likely to injure you there is a good reason <em>not</em> to recommend it.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik petersen</title>
		<link>http://baye.com/explosive-training/comment-page-1/#comment-2131</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 22:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you should like at guys like Mike Boyle who trains mainly athletes.  THE #1 job of an elite level strength and conditioning coach is to keep their athletes from injury, plain and simple.  He uses various explosive movements.  Do you know of Gary Gray, the &quot;father of functional fitness&quot;?  Physical Therapist extraordinaire! Yes Drew, same here.  I am glad the our ancestors understood this, otherwise we would not be talking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you should like at guys like Mike Boyle who trains mainly athletes.  THE #1 job of an elite level strength and conditioning coach is to keep their athletes from injury, plain and simple.  He uses various explosive movements.  Do you know of Gary Gray, the &#8220;father of functional fitness&#8221;?  Physical Therapist extraordinaire! Yes Drew, same here.  I am glad the our ancestors understood this, otherwise we would not be talking.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Baye</title>
		<link>http://baye.com/explosive-training/comment-page-1/#comment-2126</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew Baye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 01:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erik,

Survivorship bias is not a &quot;free pass&quot;, it is a common logical error - in this case making assumptions about the appropriateness of something for the general population because of the success of a few - in this case, avoidance of injury - while ignoring or failing to consider those who were not successful.

While many human movements are performed much faster than the speed of movement I recommend during exercise, this has no bearing on how you should strength train since there is no transfer of speed from one to the other. There is a big difference in the forces encountered between typical movements in daily living and sport and when performing movements holding a barbell or against a machine with a heavy weight selected.  Fast lifting speeds do not provide any advantage over slower lifting speeds, but they do increase the likelihood of injury, which is why I don&#039;t recommend them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erik,</p>
<p>Survivorship bias is not a &#8220;free pass&#8221;, it is a common logical error &#8211; in this case making assumptions about the appropriateness of something for the general population because of the success of a few &#8211; in this case, avoidance of injury &#8211; while ignoring or failing to consider those who were not successful.</p>
<p>While many human movements are performed much faster than the speed of movement I recommend during exercise, this has no bearing on how you should strength train since there is no transfer of speed from one to the other. There is a big difference in the forces encountered between typical movements in daily living and sport and when performing movements holding a barbell or against a machine with a heavy weight selected.  Fast lifting speeds do not provide any advantage over slower lifting speeds, but they do increase the likelihood of injury, which is why I don&#8217;t recommend them.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik petersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 23:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Survivorship bias....that&#039;s like a free pass for anything and everything!  Like someone defending their religion, no way you will win that argument!  Every &quot;exercise&quot; that you do must be performed slowly...yeah, just like actual human movement...R  O  B  O  T  R  O  N  I  C.  Apparently, all real human movement is therefore, wrong.How is it that you know more than Gray Cook, Gary Gray, Paul Chek, Mike Boyle, Stuart Mcgill...etc.  Hell, even Westside Barbell!  And yes,  studies have shown that ballistic and plyometric movements work, that is how athletes train!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Survivorship bias&#8230;.that&#8217;s like a free pass for anything and everything!  Like someone defending their religion, no way you will win that argument!  Every &#8220;exercise&#8221; that you do must be performed slowly&#8230;yeah, just like actual human movement&#8230;R  O  B  O  T  R  O  N  I  C.  Apparently, all real human movement is therefore, wrong.How is it that you know more than Gray Cook, Gary Gray, Paul Chek, Mike Boyle, Stuart Mcgill&#8230;etc.  Hell, even Westside Barbell!  And yes,  studies have shown that ballistic and plyometric movements work, that is how athletes train!</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Baye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew Baye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The low injury rate of Olympic lifters is more likely the result of survivorship bias than the safety of the activity. There is no general fitness or health benefit the Olympic lifts provide that can not be obtained more safely by performing other, safer exercises involving the same muscle groups.

That&#039;s great that you are able to train despite your spondylolisthesis, and I wish you lifelong health and functionality, but I would recommend against exercises like snatches and kettlebell swings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The low injury rate of Olympic lifters is more likely the result of survivorship bias than the safety of the activity. There is no general fitness or health benefit the Olympic lifts provide that can not be obtained more safely by performing other, safer exercises involving the same muscle groups.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s great that you are able to train despite your spondylolisthesis, and I wish you lifelong health and functionality, but I would recommend against exercises like snatches and kettlebell swings.</p>
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		<title>By: erik petersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>erik petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Olympic weightlifters have such a low injury rate that it&#039;s actually statistically insignificant.  You  should have a chat with Gray Cook, one of the brightest physical therapists around.  He has aligned himself with Dragon Door, the kettlebell (amongst other modalities) organization in Minneapolis.  Can you say Ballistic!!  Really, it all starts with good movement patterns, don&#039;t have them..Get Them!  Anyone walking around with impaired movement patterns will eventually hurt themselves doing just about anything, especially if it&#039;s repetitive, ie. strength training...just cements mobility issues and postural issues and you will be in pain, sooner or later. I also don&#039;t think that the &quot;explosive&quot; proponents are saying that snatching resembles a particular movement, therefore making you a better athlete, rather, snatching, jerking, etc. makes you better at movement in general...Big difference!  By the way, Mannie needs to get with the 21st century, just look at his sources...so much has come out in the last 10 years.  Would you like me to give a list ?  Bottom line, if you are balanced (lots of people are not) and have good control of your body, snatch away!  I&#039;m going now and taking m 45 year old self (including a grade1 spondylolisthesis that I was born with) out to my garage and do some kettlebell swings and snatches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Olympic weightlifters have such a low injury rate that it&#8217;s actually statistically insignificant.  You  should have a chat with Gray Cook, one of the brightest physical therapists around.  He has aligned himself with Dragon Door, the kettlebell (amongst other modalities) organization in Minneapolis.  Can you say Ballistic!!  Really, it all starts with good movement patterns, don&#8217;t have them..Get Them!  Anyone walking around with impaired movement patterns will eventually hurt themselves doing just about anything, especially if it&#8217;s repetitive, ie. strength training&#8230;just cements mobility issues and postural issues and you will be in pain, sooner or later. I also don&#8217;t think that the &#8220;explosive&#8221; proponents are saying that snatching resembles a particular movement, therefore making you a better athlete, rather, snatching, jerking, etc. makes you better at movement in general&#8230;Big difference!  By the way, Mannie needs to get with the 21st century, just look at his sources&#8230;so much has come out in the last 10 years.  Would you like me to give a list ?  Bottom line, if you are balanced (lots of people are not) and have good control of your body, snatch away!  I&#8217;m going now and taking m 45 year old self (including a grade1 spondylolisthesis that I was born with) out to my garage and do some kettlebell swings and snatches.</p>
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